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ban all angry atheists!

10:26 AM

You mean they were homophobes/transphobes?

No, that's a guy, his channel But yeah I stopped following that scene around the time SJW became a term because I was one at the time

10:26 AM

I had green hair and went as agender

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That was 12-13, Cassidy was born when I was almost 16

I'm not sure I ever heard an atheist that is a transphobe

And didn't convert until I was 17

10:27 AM

You're shitting me

10:27 AM

The male-dominated atheist discourse scene on YouTube is very anti lgbt

really?

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I'm not sure I ever heard an atheist that is a transphobe

I think there is a lot of them. Don't know how many of them is among popular youtubers, don't feel a need to watch them.

It has a high overlap with the people behind Gamergate

what's the ratio of anti-lgbt people in religious scene and atheist scene, more or less?

JGC

The male-dominated atheist discourse scene on YouTube is very anti lgbt

Atheism is not reserved for truly rational people, I would not be surprised if it were true. (edited)

In the apologetics scene and militant atheist scene on YouTube, in the year 2015? It was about 80% Mostly it was "do you need religious morality to keep you from becoming corrupted into gayness", and "look haha stupid woman with red hair is mad"

I think in general it is completely possible to be rational and be religious or atheistic, or be irrational and be religious and atheistic

These are the "rational thought" guys

10:31 AM

Yeah the default is not giving a shit

JGC

In the apologetics scene and militant atheist scene on YouTube, in the year 2015? It was about 80% Mostly it was "do you need religious morality to keep you from becoming corrupted into gayness", and "look haha stupid woman with red hair is mad"

that sounds disgusting

10:31 AM

Many people have rational thought on their lips.

Religion is basically culture

10:32 AM

Faith and personal beliefs are something else entirely

10:32 AM

If you actually had to be faithful to be called religious, the majority of the planet wouldn't be lol

the problem I see with atheism on the west is that it doesn't provide any alternative for things that religion provides and you lose when leaving it feeling of community, belonging, support etc

10:33 AM

it's interesting because in China the atheism works by providing all of that

Even most people I've met my age who do go to church go "uhhh idk if God exists"

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the problem I see with atheism on the west is that it doesn't provide any alternative for things that religion provides and you lose when leaving it feeling of community, belonging, support etc

That's why we have tulpamancy :v

Nah

I don't think tulpamancy can fill that

10:33 AM

it's escaping from the problem in my opinion

That's the role of Unitarian Universalism

10:34 AM

The daaaaamn UUs

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Nonreligious church

what is that?

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I don't think tulpamancy can fill that

I finished with :v, it's almost like /j

10:34 AM

ah ok

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i will remember for future reference

I've probably said it five times by now, but my youth group had an ex-Catholic zen-loving atheist leader, two pagan leaders, and a nondemoninational Christian leader

If anything, tulpamancy is an alternative to having relationship with God which I mentioned earlier.

UUism is noncreedential, meaning they allow all belief systems So long as you're liberal

10:35 AM

Lmfao

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the problem I see with atheism on the west is that it doesn't provide any alternative for things that religion provides and you lose when leaving it feeling of community, belonging, support etc

And about alternatives to things you mentioned... I'd say there are many secular things that can give you that.

And they don't like to use the word prayer or God

10:36 AM

We have moments of reflection and meditation

JGC

UUism is noncreedential, meaning they allow all belief systems So long as you're liberal

i see

They do a fuckton of work for LGBT stuff and environmentalism etc

You can find community, belonging and support in any group of friends

I lit the chalice for Trans Remembrance Day for example This was at the same time people at a pride club were telling me all churches think everyone at a pride club goes to hell

It's really hard though

Thus lies where I disliked the UU church

There is that organisation, called Plum Village, it's ran by buddist monks, that provides exactly what I'm saying There are biweekly gatherings where people meet, monks talk about life and share their wisdom (with no relation to religion at all), you sing, eat together, meditate, practice mindfulness It gives that feeling of community that goes further than your small circle of friends I think people leaving religion are missing

They act like such victims 24/7, it's so disheartening You just want to be a normal person but instead we gotta spend time thinking about how different and downtrodden you are

10:40 AM

Yeah lol just like UUs

10:40 AM

So many UUs were raised with other religions, aren't religious now but still want church

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There is that organisation, called Plum Village, it's ran by buddist monks, that provides exactly what I'm saying There are biweekly gatherings where people meet, monks talk about life and share their wisdom (with no relation to religion at all), you sing, eat together, meditate, practice mindfulness It gives that feeling of community that goes further than your small circle of friends I think people leaving religion are missing

Like a big circle of friends?

Humanism too you know

a sense of belonging in a bigger community

Humanist groups are a thing

10:41 AM

.....the uh The UU church hosts the local humanist group

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And the pagan coven

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And a Christian group

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Those fucking UUs

So just a community... Well, I think there are secular communities too. The problem might be most of them are not that easy to join I guess.

A UU church would 100% accept tulpamancy, not a doubt in my eyes I told my youth group about tulpas because the youth leader knew about Lurhman

10:43 AM

One of the other leaders was a soulbonder in so many words

10:45 AM

Few places can replace the type of community of a church If your job is your community, you have to deal with the fact that you're being paid to be there, that you might be distracting people/causing drama/being inappropriate if you bring your personal life and troubles into things

10:45 AM

Few places will also allow you access to so many elders

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it's interesting because in China the atheism works by providing all of that

Do you have some good sources on that?

10:47 AM

my partner is Chinese

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we talk about it a lot

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so I don't have sources

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I see.

I wonder how the family structure is there

I was very interested in how the collective identity works so I was asking a lot of questions

In America we do both! Nationalism AND religion!

JGC

I wonder how the family structure is there

do you mean something in particular?

Yeah, I forget the term The difference between the standard/expected family being "parents and kids" vs. "Parents and grandparents and children and grandchildren and uncle so and so who's a widower"

10:50 AM

The idea being that there's more community via that extended family net at home

10:50 AM

The other side of my family is that way, my Mexican half

oh yes there are no boundaries in family that go quite far from you on the family tree

10:51 AM

my partner is planning life 2 generations forward and 2 generations backwards

Oh, I should say in one household

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Like living together

oh I see

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In the past that was a necessity because people were much poorer

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Nowadays it's less common

Nah it's not just about poverty

10:52 AM

It's also about the idea you should take care of your parents

10:52 AM

But yeah it's also about selling more houses

Yes but for example my partner's grandparents live separately

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their parents bought a separate flat for the grandparents

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they still take care of them

10:53 AM

After they retire, they will live together

Yeah

But we are going to be separate

10:54 AM

One thing that came up though is that if we have children after their mother is retired, she could move in to help with house and children before the children get more independent

10:54 AM

Some of those things can sound quite intrusive but

10:54 AM

I never had good family ties and didn't even know how a family works, my family is completely broken

10:55 AM

and being with someone who has very good family values and family ties, it's very healing for me. I feel I'm being supported and for the first time in my life I can see that everything will be fine. If something happens, there is whole family of the partner that will be there to help

No no, that's exactly what I mean in terms of family providing community instead of church And yeah I'm the same way Which is why I like church and bible study etc